Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 3 569

  • Looper
    Looper   6 days back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Jonathan Henry
      Jonathan Henry  5 hours back

      @Joseph Bernard Lets just agree to disagree. In my opinion a 100% imaginary movie is as lame as it gets but I would never really hate the movie because I don't believe for a second what you do but I think eventually I will be proved correct if they do a sequel which is looking more & more possible especially since the movie is making so much $$$. I saw that same exact interview with Joaquin Phoenix & you are looking way to into it. He is just being honest. He simply never really had a dream of working as an actor aside a Batman actor in Batman movie. Thats it. Also that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be in a batman movie. He never had a dream of playing Jpker either but now he sais it was his favorite role. You'll see...when the sequal comes out it will be obvious that the whole thing was imaginary theory is crap & the director was the real Joker here cause he played a huge joke on you.

    • Baxter Burns
      Baxter Burns  6 hours back

      Only thing that happened between him and that girl was in the elevator. The date never happened nor him kissing her at the door

    • Tad Macudzinski
      Tad Macudzinski  6 hours back

      @Todd Brown I did most of that after seeing it for the second time. If you rewatch it with that idea then the stuff is easier to catch. Joaquins performance makes you miss it the first time.

    • lauta nu
      lauta nu  7 hours back

      @Tad Macudzinski after the train full of clowns he went off smoking with his right hand, and in theory everyone knew the "you get what you fucking deserve" from the tv cast. Just pointing out, im still intrigued trying to find out the true. The clock seems like the strongest evidence, but being a delusion in a delusion (neighbor) its pretty strange, although ive heard that the romance was originally "real" and not disacreditated with extra scenes. So in that case it would make more sense that everything was a delusion, but trying to point out that in the movie are delusions with that neighbor thing made it confusing. Maybe theyre just fucking with us and made it confusing on purpouse without really solid real "right" point of view. I hope there is a right answer because if not it would be a cheap mindfuck and a waste of time. (I saw the killing joke, so it makes sense that its all a lie)(also i saw an image from a comic where joker said that he wanna star his own movie and that would be the greatest joke, funny fact)

    • Lisa Bartolone
      Lisa Bartolone  16 hours back

      I dont really think it matters which parts are real or not...the real point of the movie is the lack of mental healthcare in the US now...it appears he knew he needed help and was seeking it until all the funding to his program was cut...then the punch line, "what do you get when you mix unstable people and a society that treats them like crap...you get what you deserve...which I think is the directors statement on all the shootings going on with mentally unstable people behind it....IMO...

  • Phea7
    Phea7  33 minutes back

    No, please. They created the best Joker's origin story ever. Don't tell me that it's fake or that Arthur was only an inspiration to "true" Joker. Please, don't.

    • BarT xxx
      BarT xxx  35 minutes back

      Ok. I have made this comment before on other videos but I'll say it again.
      The fridge scene is important. Arthur Fleck did not come out from that fridge. Those fridges back in the days were known to be dead traps.
      Any events happened after the fridge scene were just hallucinations of Arthur's oxygen deprived brain.
      Joker doesn't have to be Arthur Fleck. Joker is not a one man , it is an idea. This is shown to us plenty times in the movie by everybody wearing clown masks
      Even the comics never told us his real name.
      The timeline is also consistent with this theory as Bruce Wayne won't be Batman for another 15 -20 years when he meets Joker which can not be Arthur Fleck as he would be roughly around 60 years old.
      Yes folks , you heard me, Arthur Fleck died in that fridge.

      • Music Selector
        Music Selector  2 hours back

        Relax on the depth behind the movie, how easy is it to write and film a story with imaginary twists leaving you to wonder the validity of it’s realism. Get over it pretentious Hollywood, it’s been there and done that manifolds over.

        • 718nycarlo
          718nycarlo  2 hours back

          lazy theory. video made just to ride the hype and catch views 🙄

          • FURinTeeth
            FURinTeeth  2 hours back

            3:13 THANK GOD!!!

            • John HENDRICKS
              John HENDRICKS  2 hours back

              Thank God, I think this version of Joker will better without Batman match up this should be it's own world if they decide to do a sequel.

              • FUN MINUTE
                FUN MINUTE  2 hours back

                I don't wanna know about the last scene 😢

                for me ... Everything was perfect to my senses 👌😚

                • Jared Haught
                  Jared Haught  3 hours back

                  I think most of the ending actually happened. It shows development from the beginning.

                  • Luthfi Randhika
                    Luthfi Randhika  4 hours back

                    My theory is : he is already the Joker, the whole thing is one of his multiple choises of his past. This scene happened after he is captured by Batman and brought to the asylum. And i like to think that this version of Joker knows that bruce wayne is Batman but doesn't care about telling it to anyone. That's why bruce wayne's past is a part of his "Joke".

                    • Luthfi Randhika
                      Luthfi Randhika  3 hours back

                      "Then, why does he imagined that his past was tragic? He's the joker, he doest care about anything!".
                      Well, in the killing joke comic, he said to Batman :
                      "Something like that (a tragic past) happened to me, you know. I.. i'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes i remember it one way, sometimes another..."
                      "If im going to have a past, i prefer it to be multiple choise! HA HA HA.. "

                    • Luthfi Randhika
                      Luthfi Randhika  3 hours back

                      The name Arthur fleck might also be one of many names he thinks his real name is. Because the joker said in the killing joke comic that he remember his past to be some way and sometimes another.

                  • Kernel Linux
                    Kernel Linux  4 hours back

                    During the movie you see this guy with a clown mask watching Joker in the background through all of this, the same person that killed Bruce’s parents at the end and the Joker laughs and says “it’s between me and him” - “him” being the real Joker.

                    • Samantha Pattinson
                      Samantha Pattinson  4 hours back

                      I hope that everything was not a dream

                      • Lycx
                        Lycx  5 hours back

                        but if he just imagined the whole movie (/scenes) in his head, why are bruces parents dead? something like a havoc must be happened

                        • Dave C
                          Dave C  5 hours back

                          This is awful...
                          Showing me this movie...
                          Telling me it's Joker's origin...
                          You just wanted to subvert my expectations....
                          You're just like the rest of 'um!

                          • Morgan Vierheller
                            Morgan Vierheller  5 hours back

                            Think for yourself. Determine your own perspective.

                            • GianZ73
                              GianZ73  5 hours back

                              If all of Joker's life is imagined, who's imagining it? Maybe not a specific person/character, but all of us. It's a movie: a "daydream" imagined by its authors and the public together in a sort of collective dream. We, as a society, produce our world: our dreams (as our acts) reflect that, including our fears and desires. So do movies. In a way, we are creating the Joker together: we give him life as the people wearing the mask give him a collective status, a "recognized" villain identity.

                              • david bright
                                david bright  5 hours back

                                I took it that fleck joker is a symbol of the madness spreading in Gotham. And at the end we see the person that becomes the joker kill batman parents.

                                • Yuno Ishida
                                  Yuno Ishida  6 hours back

                                  Arthur wont face bruce bcoz by the time bruce became batman arthur is already a senior citizen

                                  • Bothwell Tekla Cativu
                                    Bothwell Tekla Cativu  6 hours back

                                    I hate y'all, now am thinking too. Much

                                    • Mike Oakley
                                      Mike Oakley  7 hours back

                                      Another theory I've had is Arthur Fleck isn't even in Gotham City, and what plays out is an elaborate fantasy in the head of someone in the real world with a disillusion obsession with the comic book character.

                                      • l-i-h
                                        l-i-h  7 hours back

                                        I really dislike this theroy because they made it clear to me this is the real joker the way he laughs the way he acts and the way his life connects with Bruce Wayne if this is some random guy and the joker is inspired due to his story I will be very disappointed because why even make ties to Bruce why even make his mum have a past with the Wayne family even if she was crazy they obviously knew her it makes no sense to me.

                                        • Pohovana Hrenovka
                                          Pohovana Hrenovka  8 hours back

                                          Am i the only one that got that rare affect while watching movie . And that happend when Arthur shot Murray

                                          • EchoRhythm.TV
                                            EchoRhythm.TV  8 hours back

                                            I’m more confused now 😔

                                            • David Harvey
                                              David Harvey  9 hours back

                                              I think it's all a joke.

                                              • Zed C
                                                Zed C  9 hours back

                                                I want a fucking sequel already!

                                                • Melvin
                                                  Melvin  9 hours back

                                                  The story itself is multiple-choice already. And it's funny because you hear different interpretations after the film.

                                                  • arham Tariq
                                                    arham Tariq  10 hours back

                                                    Was he the joker or he was thinking all of this in his mind or weather he killed anyone or just he is imagining??
                                                    So much complicated

                                                    • DOMINGUES Florian
                                                      DOMINGUES Florian  10 hours back

                                                      That, or the facte that the joke IS about Bruce. Arthur is indirectly responsable for the Wayne murder's (start the riot, paint a target on Thomas during the show) and in doing that, he is responsable for the creation of his own nemesis. By burning down the city, and make Bruce as abandonned that he was all his life, creating the Batman. The joke cannot be "nothing is real", the Joke is "you all believe that was a Joker origin story only ?" ---> people who watched Split will get it.

                                                      • coldven0m
                                                        coldven0m  10 hours back

                                                        If this is true I am very disappointed

                                                        • Ed Regis
                                                          Ed Regis  11 hours back

                                                          I never thought till now that all that stuff Arthur did as the Joker may have only been in his head. And I watched Joker barely 2 days ago!

                                                          • Camacho J
                                                            Camacho J  12 hours back

                                                            Dag..so Mr Phoenix won't ever play in a Batman role? That's so weird. Like Hollywood is setting something up that will totally destroy our society. Instead of living the fantasy

                                                            • Spartan DarkSkull
                                                              Spartan DarkSkull  12 hours back

                                                              When I watched it I came out with the conclusion that all the events in the movie was in his head, seeing how the neighbor chick scene heavily implied that he or us as the viewers don't know what is real or not, as soon as it went from him standing on the cop car and jumped to him in the asylum, I knew it was all in his head
                                                              And no he isn't the joker seeing how bruce is still a kid and he looks middle aged which wouldn't make sense unless you go with that whole joker is immortal thing they did in the comics, which for a movie would be a stupid story to tell, comics ok but not a serious movie like this

                                                              But I think over all the movie was a message towards mental health awareness

                                                              • Durrpadil
                                                                Durrpadil  13 hours back

                                                                Hmmm... Maybe it's one of many trips Arthur makes to the Asylum. His journey into madness... It would seem how he landed there was due to all the facts placed by the worker, yet within his mind he is the hero. Once released... He grows even more merciless. Great directing if it leads you to surmise what occurred. I haven't seen it yet, but it seems to follow the same premise as American Psycho. A great continuation would be him beeing freed by a group of his followers, further solidifying his presence... Or even more interesting he thinks they freed him whereas he really freed himself... Oh the possibilities...

                                                                • Sean Donahue
                                                                  Sean Donahue  13 hours back

                                                                  Fun theory; he is the real joker, but the entire movie was in his head. He escapes and becomes the joker we know, but falls into the chemicals and boom!

                                                                  • Mavakaga
                                                                    Mavakaga  14 hours back

                                                                    When you give me my Oscar, can you introduce me as Joker?

                                                                    • Dr. Oct
                                                                      Dr. Oct  15 hours back

                                                                      He's joker, but not only one joker. Joker will always reborn from someone laugh and laugh is never die

                                                                      • Jason Jones
                                                                        Jason Jones  15 hours back

                                                                        The joke can also be the one that’s pulled on the Waynes.

                                                                        • Mark Njo
                                                                          Mark Njo  16 hours back

                                                                          Here's my theory. Arthur is the one that kills Bruce Wayne's parents. He is imagining the last part of the story with him getting out of the cop car and placing the blood on his face. This is when he is actually in the alley shooting them. That's why there is the scene of Bruce standing over his parents at the end. Arthur really was there and saw Bruce standing over his parents that were just gunned down.

                                                                          • Doctor Body Hammer
                                                                            Doctor Body Hammer  16 hours back

                                                                            I thought the joke was that Joker inadvertently created Batman. Then again, for that to be the joke, he would have to know Bruce Wayne is Batman.

                                                                            • Samaritan
                                                                              Samaritan  17 hours back

                                                                              There’s a world of difference between “it didn’t actually happen” and “it might not have actually happened”, especially when we’re talking about a character defined by the trait of not even knowing for sure what made him what he is, let alone giving a straight story to anyone else.

                                                                              • Emilio
                                                                                Emilio  17 hours back

                                                                                Society: There's no movie in 2019 that can top Endgame
                                                                                DC: Send in the clown

                                                                                • Alex Fisher
                                                                                  Alex Fisher  17 hours back

                                                                                  Could the man who killed Bruce’s parents be The Joker? Id prefer that it’s straightforward with Arthur being the Joker though

                                                                                  • razumfrackle
                                                                                    razumfrackle  18 hours back

                                                                                    I'd like to believe the Joker who murdered Sofie wasn't real, and the Joker who murdered Murray was, but I fear the opposite is more likely.

                                                                                    • Just Call Me Sky
                                                                                      Just Call Me Sky  18 hours back

                                                                                      how did arthur "remember" and "look back" at the scene where bruce's parents died if he wasn't even there in that alley when they got killed? 🤔

                                                                                      • 2wheelpiracy
                                                                                        2wheelpiracy  18 hours back

                                                                                        In America, the liberal left is primed and ready to follow a madman who will orchestrate anarchy on a mass scale. This has been repeated in history many times over. The end result being total oligarchy.
                                                                                        The last scene is metaphorical of this situation.

                                                                                        • Marz_00 •
                                                                                          Marz_00 •  18 hours back

                                                                                          They made it so they can go multiple ways with the next movie if they decide to make one ... definitely is a movie u have to watch more than once

                                                                                          • Will Yfjyfgjhfhjhf
                                                                                            Will Yfjyfgjhfhjhf  19 hours back

                                                                                            I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, it was real.

                                                                                            • Dennis Mozgovoy
                                                                                              Dennis Mozgovoy  20 hours back

                                                                                              I don’t know why I simply hate someone’s attempts to interpret movie in one way or another, explain it and then put it in a “box” with label on it, I prefer it to be multiple interpretations including my favorite.

                                                                                              Thanks everyone who worked on that masterpiece. Thank you!